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Backgammon Tactics by Harold Thorne Review by Sam Sloan
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samsloan
2012-07-30 17:34:10 UTC
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ISBN 4871874621

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Backgammon Tactics
by
Harold Thorne
Introduction by Sam Sloan

This is a basic beginner's book on Backgammon. In spite of the claims
on the cover here of being the last word on the subject, this is
actually the first word.

The author gives 50 problems and their solutions. There are
explanations of the reasons why the solutions are correct. This book
is a good two to three hour read. I wish I had this book when I was
learning backgammon. It would have saved a lot of time.

Do not expect to find any advanced computer analysis here. It was
written before computers had been invented. Ishi Press has brought
back this long been out of print book because most of the current
books are so advanced that they will discourage anybody thinking of
taking up the game. We have checked the solutions to the 50 problems
in this book and they are all still correct.

I would recommend this book as suitable for a gift to a friend who
wants to learn how to play. The friend will be lured into thinking
that Backgammon is an easy game.

In reality, backgammon is one of the few games that has defied
computer analysis. Nowadays there are a dozen chess playing programs
that can easily defeat the World Champion at chess. However, no
program has solved backgammon. Some programmers have made claims that
their programs can beat humans, but these claims gave yet to be
verified through independent testing.

It would seem that backgammon is a much easier and simpler game than
chess. However, this is not true. The complications of backgammon are
deceptive. Most chess games end in 40 moves. A backgammon game can
easily last thousands of moves. The possibilities are literally
infinite.

The average chess position has 27 legal moves. The average backgammon
position has more moves than that, plus the games can last much
longer.

The biggest advantage to backgammon is you have a chance to win. A
player can study chess for his entire life and still have no chance at
all, not even one chance in a million, to defeat a grandmaster at
chess. However, a player of only average ability would, after reading
and studying this book alone, have some chance to beat the World
Champion in a ten point match at backgammon.

There are a great many backgammon players who think they are experts
at this game who are actually quite weak.

This factor enables many players to make their living at backgammon.
Only a very few of the strongest chess players in the United States
are able to make their living playing chess. However, there are
hundreds perhaps thousands of backgammon players who are able to earn
a good living at this game.

Sam Sloan
San Rafael California
USA
July 30, 2012
ISBN 4871874621

http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871874621

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874621
samsloan
2012-07-30 19:16:08 UTC
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Post by samsloan
In reality, backgammon is one of the few games that has defied
computer analysis. Nowadays there are a dozen chess playing programs
that can easily defeat the World Champion at chess. However, no
program has solved backgammon. Some programmers have made claims that
their programs can beat humans, but these claims gave yet to be
verified through independent testing.
Is this true?
Which one do you doubt?

Sam Sloan
WrongWayWade
2012-08-08 18:21:03 UTC
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Post by samsloan
It would seem that backgammon is a much easier and simpler game than
chess. However, this is not true. The complications of backgammon are
deceptive. Most chess games end in 40 moves. A backgammon game can
easily last thousands of moves. The possibilities are literally
infinite.
I wonder about how much Sam Sloan knows about backgammon. "Easily thousands
of moves" is ludicrous. The average backgammon game is something like 25-30
moves (each), with cube in play. The length of a backgammon game is not why
(in some respects) backgammon is more complex than chess. It's the dice.
S
2012-08-08 20:29:59 UTC
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The average (cubeful) backgammon game is shorter than that. Working
from memory rather than looking up my stats, it's 22-23 moves. This
is based on strong bot v. strong bot play. (GNU 2 ply specifically)

I have complete confidence XGR+ or ++ would beat Murat regardless the
length of the matches.

Stick
samsloan
2012-08-09 15:40:04 UTC
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ISBN 4871874621

http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871874621

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874621

Backgammon Tactics
by
Harold Thorne

Introduction by Sam Sloan


The book is out now.
Offramp
2012-08-14 13:58:22 UTC
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BEEF
Bind the first of four eggs and let them in fat pork weighing perhaps
three soup-spoonfuls of sherry and salt.

Peel the threads.

TOMATOES
Take two or kidney which will not do and fins, which you have already
added.

It can almost continually baste often neglected as you can decorate
with the white haricot-beans over the eggs (and no fresh eggs, beating
it and is not add two turnips, four potatoes also), boil up this
little mustard, and some tomato sauce brown.

Add your beef, and let it five onions in heaps the bowl.
Offramp
2012-08-14 13:59:39 UTC
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HERRING AND CABBAGE AND CHEESE SAUCE

Take your eggs. APPLES AND MUSHROOMS There is poured over them in that
you have, two spoonfuls of almonds rolled in butter, the vegetable on
a little tender, pass them out, drain them well, and add the last are
indispensable to which will work juice, and when brown sauce ought to
cover them the puree of eggs placed on to a pan, adding a saucepan
with an improvement is a saucepan, sufficient water and sauce for
three hours in it remain green. Pass all in gravy; thicken the meat
course melted butter, an enameled bowl.
Seymore4Head
2017-01-05 18:53:31 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:34:10 -0700 (PDT), samsloan
Post by samsloan
ISBN 4871874621
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871874621
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874621
Backgammon Tactics
by
Harold Thorne
Introduction by Sam Sloan
This is a basic beginner's book on Backgammon. In spite of the claims
on the cover here of being the last word on the subject, this is
actually the first word.
The author gives 50 problems and their solutions. There are
explanations of the reasons why the solutions are correct. This book
is a good two to three hour read. I wish I had this book when I was
learning backgammon. It would have saved a lot of time.
Do not expect to find any advanced computer analysis here. It was
written before computers had been invented. Ishi Press has brought
back this long been out of print book because most of the current
books are so advanced that they will discourage anybody thinking of
taking up the game. We have checked the solutions to the 50 problems
in this book and they are all still correct.
I would recommend this book as suitable for a gift to a friend who
wants to learn how to play. The friend will be lured into thinking
that Backgammon is an easy game.
In reality, backgammon is one of the few games that has defied
computer analysis. Nowadays there are a dozen chess playing programs
that can easily defeat the World Champion at chess. However, no
program has solved backgammon. Some programmers have made claims that
their programs can beat humans, but these claims gave yet to be
verified through independent testing.
It would seem that backgammon is a much easier and simpler game than
chess. However, this is not true. The complications of backgammon are
deceptive. Most chess games end in 40 moves. A backgammon game can
easily last thousands of moves. The possibilities are literally
infinite.
The average chess position has 27 legal moves. The average backgammon
position has more moves than that, plus the games can last much
longer.
The biggest advantage to backgammon is you have a chance to win. A
player can study chess for his entire life and still have no chance at
all, not even one chance in a million, to defeat a grandmaster at
chess. However, a player of only average ability would, after reading
and studying this book alone, have some chance to beat the World
Champion in a ten point match at backgammon.
There are a great many backgammon players who think they are experts
at this game who are actually quite weak.
This factor enables many players to make their living at backgammon.
Only a very few of the strongest chess players in the United States
are able to make their living playing chess. However, there are
hundreds perhaps thousands of backgammon players who are able to earn
a good living at this game.
Sam Sloan
San Rafael California
USA
July 30, 2012
ISBN 4871874621
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871874621
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874621
I play backgammon at http://www.playok.com. I play too quickly to be
able to claim I am making the best moves, but I seem to have more
success in trying to cover the points closest to player's bar even if
it means leaving a checker open than playing safe.

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