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How to Pass the USA Driver License Test for Chinese Drivers
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samsloan
2012-04-24 15:06:53 UTC
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How to Pass the USA Driver License Test for Chinese Drivers

中国人如何通过美国驾驶执照的考试

ISBN 4871872173 9784871872171

A visitor from another country is allowed to get a drivers license in
the USA, as long as he is in the US legally, even if he does not have
a social security number. The exact procedures for this vary from
state to state. New rules were passed by the states for this in
accordance with the new Bush Rules under the Department of Homeland
Security. Although these rules are burdensome, they can be passed. The
driving test is available in 13 languages, including Chinese,
Japanese, Korean, French, Spanish and Russian.

It is important to know the differences between the driving rules for
the different states. California in particular has some unusual rules.

The main difference between California and most other states is that
in California “The Pedestrian has the Right of Way”. This means that
if a pedestrian, who is anybody other than somebody in a car, a
motorcycle or a bicycle, steps into the street, all cars must stop and
allow the pedestrian to pass.

This rule does not exist in New York and in most other states.

Because of this rule, Californians have a tendency to cross the street
while reading a book or doing something else without even bothering to
look up to see if a car is coming. Therefore, when driving in
California, one must be constantly vigilant and watch to see if
somebody just casually walks in front of your car.

Here is an example of this rule. On January 25, 2006, Andrea Bronfman,
the 60-year old wife of Seagram Billionaire Charles Bronfman, was
walking her dog in front of her home at the corner of Fifth Avenue and
East 65th Street in New York City. When the light turned green, she
crossed 65th Street, paying more attention to her dog than to the
cars. Fifth Avenue is a one-way street, so a green light for her was
also a green light for south-bound cars on Fifth Avenue. Accordingly,
a taxi driver coming south on Fight Avenue made a perfectly legal left
hand turn, and struck and killed Andrea Bronfman as she was crossing
the street. The dog was not harmed.

Both the driver and the pedestrian were acting perfectly legally. Both
had the right of way as the light was green. Mrs. Bronfman was killed
and thus her billions were lost to her because she did not look for
cars while crossing the street.

Eulogies were published for Mrs. Bronfman around the world about her
many good works and what a great philanthropist she was, but it did
her no good as she was just as dead as she would have been if she had
been just a homeless bum sleeping on the street.

Meanwhile, the taxi driver, who was a new driver from India, never
even received a ticket or a traffic summons, as what he had done was
perfectly legal. A more experienced driver than he would probably have
slowed and looked more carefully when making that left turn, but he
had done nothing illegal.

Had the same accident happened in California, he would probably have
been arrested, tried and convicted of a crime and sentenced to time in
jail.

Another difference between New York City and California is that
California and almost all other states have “Right Turn on Red”. This
means that when approaching an intersection, if the traffic light is
red, the driver must come to a full stop. However, if the driver is in
the right lane, after making the full stop, the driver may look both
ways and, if no cars are coming, may make a right turn.

Do not try this in New York City. It is absolutely illegal. However,
it is allowed in Upstate New York.

Another problem I have is that in California there are too many four-
way stops. In most states, where there is a main traffic thoroughfare
and little side streets, the traffic on the side streets must come to
a full stop whereas drivers on the main street may proceed without
stopping. However, in California it is often the case where all four
cars must stop. There is also often a police car waiting just around
the corner where you cannot see it, ready to give you a ticket if you
do not come to a full stop.

For example, where I live there is a little side street with a dead
end and only two houses on it. In all the years I have lived there, I
have never seen a car on that side street. Yet, there are four-way
stop signs there. Thus, every time I drive on the main street, I must
stop. This is an annoyance and a waste of time.

When you take the road test in California, they will test you on this.
If two cars approach an intersection and arrive at the same time, the
car on the right has the right of way. However, if one car arrives a
little bit earlier than the other, the car that arrives first has the
right of way. This can be a trick question on the California Road
Test. The driver taking the test will naturally want to be cautious,
especially when the driving examiner is in the car, so naturally he
will not proceed even if first arriving at the intersection. If you do
that, you will have five points deducted from your score. This is not
enough to cause you to fail the test, but a few of these deductions
can result in not passing.

Another difference concerns bicycle lanes. In New York, when turning
right, you may not enter the bicycle lane. In California, you MUST
merge carefully into the bicycle lane. This is on the Road Test in
both states. The first thing the examiner will tell you to do is turn
right where there is a bicycle lane. If you do not know the local
rule, you will have five points deducted if you do it the wrong way.

A major difference concerns parallel parking. Most states include
parallel parking on the road test. This involves backing the car into
a small space. California does not require this. It only includes much
easier sideways parking.

Sam Sloan

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samsloan
2012-04-26 12:36:50 UTC
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One easy way to pass the driving pass is to slip a hundred dollar bill
to the examiner before the driving test.
If you did that you would be arrested and this is no joke.

Do not even think about this.

Sam Sloan

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samsloan
2012-04-26 12:51:28 UTC
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Post by samsloan
One easy way to pass the driving pass is to slip a hundred dollar bill
to the examiner before the driving test.
If you did that you would be arrested and this is no joke.
Do not even think about this.
Sam Sloan
I did not notice I need to change the subject title back

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rst0
2012-04-26 15:08:15 UTC
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Post by samsloan
One easy way to pass the driving pass is to slip a hundred dollar bill
to the examiner before the driving test.
If you did that you would be arrested and this is no joke.
Do not even think about this.
Sam Sloan
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
Many did. Many are driving today because of that.
samsloan
2012-04-26 15:37:08 UTC
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Post by samsloan
One easy way to pass the driving pass is to slip a hundred dollar bill
to the examiner before the driving test.
If you did that you would be arrested and this is no joke.
Do not even think about this.
Sam Sloan
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173

http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
Many did.  Many are driving today because of that.
Sorry, but I do not believe you. It would be too easy for an
undercover agent to catch this. With all the police officers at the
DMV, anybody would be crazy to offer a bribe. And then if the driver
causes an accident and somebody dies, the examiner who took the bribe
could spend life in prison.

Where are you? I doubt you are in the USA. Perhaps in the country
where you are, this exists.

Sam Sloan
rst0
2012-04-26 15:56:01 UTC
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Post by samsloan
One easy way to pass the driving pass is to slip a hundred dollar bill
to the examiner before the driving test.
If you did that you would be arrested and this is no joke.
Do not even think about this.
Sam Sloan
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
Many did.  Many are driving today because of that.
Sorry, but I do not believe you. It would be too easy for an
undercover agent to catch this. With all the police officers at the
DMV, anybody would be crazy to offer a bribe. And then if the driver
causes an accident and somebody dies, the examiner who took the bribe
could spend life in prison.
Where are you? I doubt you are in the USA. Perhaps in the country
where you are, this exists.
Sam Sloan
Currently, I am living in California where I know it happened. I also
had resided in Arizona and Maryland. It also happened in these
states.

During a drive test, only the driver and the examiner are in the car.
Anything could happen during that time.

After an accident, who would check for the examiner who passed this
driver's test? no one!!!!
m***@patzersrus.com
2012-05-03 15:59:11 UTC
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Post by samsloan
Post by samsloan
One easy way to pass the driving pass is to slip a hundred dollar bill
to the examiner before the driving test.
If you did that you would be arrested and this is no joke.
Do not even think about this.
Sam Sloan
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
Many did.  Many are driving today because of that.
Sorry, but I do not believe you. It would be too easy for an
undercover agent to catch this. With all the police officers at the
DMV, anybody would be crazy to offer a bribe. And then if the driver
causes an accident and somebody dies, the examiner who took the bribe
could spend life in prison.
Where are you? I doubt you are in the USA. Perhaps in the country
where you are, this exists.
Sam Sloan
Currently, I am living in California where I know it happened. I also
had resided in Arizona and Maryland. It also happened in these
states.
During a drive test, only the driver and the examiner are in the car.
Anything could happen during that time.
After an accident, who would check for the examiner who passed this
driver's test? no one!!!!
Absolutely right. I know a retired examiner who has admitted to
taking bribes as a matter of routine. He has worked in Florida, North
Carolina, Tennessee and Arizona and has taken bribes in all but
Florida where he started because he was young and worried about losing
his job. He has since "wised up" and started making some really good
money. He has received as much as $1000 for a passing score from some
of the most desperate applicants.

Corruption exists everywhere there is money involved.

samsloan
2012-04-28 10:16:35 UTC
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The book is out now. Published.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173

I am expecting big sales as a lot of people need this.

Sam Sloan
rst9
2012-04-28 14:27:09 UTC
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Post by samsloan
The book is out now. Published.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
I am expecting big sales as a lot of people need this.
Sam Sloan
You wana bet, Sam? Chinese people are to lazy to read.
samsloan
2012-04-29 00:52:45 UTC
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The book is out now. Published.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173

The author Moyu Su is a registered nurse from Tianjin, China. She is
the author of published papers including “Application of Laparoscopic
Techniques in Obstetrics”, and “History of Laparoscopic Gynecology”
published in the “Chinese Journal of Human Sexuality”, June 2009
issue. She is the editor and reviser of the book “Chinese Herbal
Medicine for Beginners” by the Tianjin Health Care Revolutionary
Committee. She is a member of the Oncology Nursing Society. She was
invited to America to present a paper to the Oncology Society. She has
passed both the New York and the California driver's license
examinations. She is the author of the book “How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test for Chinese Drivers”.
Peter T. Daniels
2012-04-29 03:55:16 UTC
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Post by samsloan
The book is out now. Published.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
The author Moyu Su is a registered nurse from Tianjin, China. She is
the author of published papers including “Application of Laparoscopic
Techniques in Obstetrics”, and “History of Laparoscopic Gynecology”
published in the “Chinese Journal of Human Sexuality”, June 2009
issue. She is the editor and reviser of the book “Chinese Herbal
Medicine for Beginners” by the Tianjin Health Care Revolutionary
Committee. She is a member of the Oncology Nursing Society. She was
invited to America to present a paper to the Oncology Society. She has
passed both the New York and the California driver's license
examinations. She is the author of the book “How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test for Chinese Drivers”.
Having done it in both California and New York, she should be aware
that there's no such thing as "the USA Driver License."
h***@yahoo.co.uk
2012-04-29 10:53:29 UTC
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Post by samsloan
The book is out now. Published.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
The author Moyu Su is a registered nurse from Tianjin, China. She is
the author of published papers including “Application of Laparoscopic
Techniques in Obstetrics”, and “History of Laparoscopic Gynecology”
published in the “Chinese Journal of Human Sexuality”, June 2009
issue. She is the editor and reviser of the book “Chinese Herbal
Medicine for Beginners” by the Tianjin Health Care Revolutionary
Committee. She is a member of the Oncology Nursing Society. She was
invited to America to present a paper to the Oncology Society. She has
passed both the New York and the California driver's license
examinations. She is the author of the book “How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test for Chinese Drivers”.
Having done it in both California and New York, she should be aware
that there's no such thing as "the USA Driver License."
Whoever is doing it, however, is probably basing their knowledge on
other countries, which have national driving licences. Here in the UK,
for example, there is one driving licence for the whole country, and not
for the county.

This is the case in many, if not all, EU states.
Peter T. Daniels
2012-04-29 12:27:46 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by samsloan
The book is out now. Published.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
The author Moyu Su is a registered nurse from Tianjin, China. She is
the author of published papers including “Application of Laparoscopic
Techniques in Obstetrics”, and “History of Laparoscopic Gynecology”
published in the “Chinese Journal of Human Sexuality”, June 2009
issue. She is the editor and reviser of the book “Chinese Herbal
Medicine for Beginners” by the Tianjin Health Care Revolutionary
Committee. She is a member of the Oncology Nursing Society. She was
invited to America to present a paper to the Oncology Society. She has
passed both the New York and the California driver's license
examinations. She is the author of the book “How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test for Chinese Drivers”.
Having done it in both California and New York, she should be aware
that there's no such thing as "the USA Driver License."
Whoever is doing it, however, is probably basing their knowledge on
other countries, which have national driving licences. Here in the UK,
for example, there is one driving licence for the whole country, and not
for the county.
This is the case in many, if not all, EU states.-
British "counties" are nothing like US states.
h***@yahoo.co.uk
2012-04-29 16:13:32 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by samsloan
The book is out now. Published.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
The author Moyu Su is a registered nurse from Tianjin, China. She is
the author of published papers including “Application of Laparoscopic
Techniques in Obstetrics”, and “History of Laparoscopic Gynecology”
published in the “Chinese Journal of Human Sexuality”, June 2009
issue. She is the editor and reviser of the book “Chinese Herbal
Medicine for Beginners” by the Tianjin Health Care Revolutionary
Committee. She is a member of the Oncology Nursing Society. She was
invited to America to present a paper to the Oncology Society. She has
passed both the New York and the California driver's license
examinations. She is the author of the book “How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test for Chinese Drivers”.
Having done it in both California and New York, she should be aware
that there's no such thing as "the USA Driver License."
Whoever is doing it, however, is probably basing their knowledge on
other countries, which have national driving licences. Here in the UK,
for example, there is one driving licence for the whole country, and not
for the county.
This is the case in many, if not all, EU states.-
British "counties" are nothing like US states.
Yes, I know that. I was trying only to indicate subdivisions.
rst0
2012-04-29 14:52:57 UTC
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Post by samsloan
The book is out now. Published.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
The author Moyu Su is a registered nurse from Tianjin, China. She is
the author of published papers including “Application of Laparoscopic
Techniques in Obstetrics”, and “History of Laparoscopic Gynecology”
published in the “Chinese Journal of Human Sexuality”, June 2009
issue. She is the editor and reviser of the book “Chinese Herbal
Medicine for Beginners” by the Tianjin Health Care Revolutionary
Committee. She is a member of the Oncology Nursing Society. She was
invited to America to present a paper to the Oncology Society. She has
passed both the New York and the California driver's license
examinations. She is the author of the book “How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test for Chinese Drivers”.
Unless she's fluent in English and had lived in the U.S. for a long
time, I bet she passed both California and New York driving tests by
slipping hundred bills to the driving examiners.
samsloan
2012-04-29 16:42:21 UTC
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Post by rst0
Post by samsloan
The book is out now. Published.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
The author Moyu Su is a registered nurse from Tianjin, China. She is
the author of published papers including “Application of Laparoscopic
Techniques in Obstetrics”, and “History of Laparoscopic Gynecology”
published in the “Chinese Journal of Human Sexuality”, June 2009
issue. She is the editor and reviser of the book “Chinese Herbal
Medicine for Beginners” by the Tianjin Health Care Revolutionary
Committee. She is a member of the Oncology Nursing Society. She was
invited to America to present a paper to the Oncology Society. She has
passed both the New York and the California driver's license
examinations. She is the author of the book “How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test for Chinese Drivers”.
Unless she's fluent in English and had lived in the U.S. for a long
time, I bet she passed both California and New York driving tests by
slipping hundred bills to the driving examiners.
Why do you keep saying things like this?

She is very fluent in Chinese.

Her Chinese is really excellent (much better than mine).

The DMV gives the tests in Chinese as well as in 13 other languages.

She passed it in Chinese in both states. The tests are considerably
different between these states.

If she had to take it in English she would never have passed.

Sam Sloan

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http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
rst0
2012-04-29 16:59:38 UTC
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Post by rst0
Unless she's fluent in English and had lived in the U.S. for a long
time, I bet she passed both California and New York driving tests by
slipping hundred bills to the driving examiners.
Why do you keep saying things like this?
It's the truth.
Post by samsloan
She is very fluent in Chinese.
Yes, yes,...
Post by samsloan
Her Chinese is really excellent (much better than mine).
My gf's Chinese is excellent, too. She graduated from Nankai
University, and was one of China's elites when she was living in
China. I don't let her drive when I'm in the car.
Post by samsloan
The DMV gives the tests in Chinese as well as in 13 other languages.
Yes, I know. I live in California for many many years, and also in
Arizona, and in Maryland. But, then, I grew up and educated in this
country.
Post by samsloan
She passed it in Chinese in both states. The tests are considerably
different between these states.
But passing the written exam is one thing, passing the driving test is
another. Chinese grew up in China just don't have the aptitude for
driving. It's NOT in their blood.

From what I have heard, automobile deaths in China are sky high.
And from the limo driver's experience in Beijing in 2005, I can see
why.
Post by samsloan
If she had to take it in English she would never have passed.
Sam Sloan
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Stephen Sprunk
2012-04-30 14:29:22 UTC
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Chinese grew up in China just don't have the aptitude for
driving. It's NOT in their blood.
That's just racist bullshit, the kind of thing that one race uses to
justify keeping another down rather than recognizing there are factors
_other than_ genetics, such as education and socialization, that affect
someone's success. Driving skills are not in _any_ race's "blood".

S
--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
rst9
2012-04-30 17:10:57 UTC
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Post by rst0
Chinese grew up in China just don't have the aptitude for
driving.  It's NOT in their blood.
That's just racist bullshit, the kind of thing that one
race uses to justify keeping another down rather than
recognizing there are factors _other than_ genetics,
such as education and socialization, that affect someone's
success.  Driving skills are not in _any_ race's "blood".
Obviously, you didn't read through the whole thread. If you have, you
missed some very important points. I stated I grew up and educated in
the U.S. How could I be "racist" when I am "one of them"?

I have seen many Chinese drivers who could not read/write/speak
English driving a car. On one occasion, a car with red lights on top
kept following them, and they didn't know what it meant. They kept
going until the siren was heard, then stopped.

The policeman just laughed when he heard they didn't know what it was
all about.
Stephen Sprunk
2012-04-30 14:26:40 UTC
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Post by samsloan
The DMV gives the tests in Chinese as well as in 13 other languages.
There is not one DMV that covers the entire US, and I doubt all of the
various state agencies (not even all called "DMV") offer the test in
exactly 13 languages.
Post by samsloan
She passed it in Chinese in both states. The tests are considerably
different between these states.
And I'm sure they're different in the other 48 states, DC, territories,
etc. That's why one book purporting to tell people "How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test", which doesn't even exist, is ridiculous.

I don't know about the particular states you have experience with, but
my state gives out a _free_ book that tells applicants everything they
need to know to pass the tests, both written and practical. So what is
the point of _your_ book?

S
--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
samsloan
2012-04-30 14:35:20 UTC
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Post by samsloan
The DMV gives the tests in Chinese as well as in 13 other languages.
There is not one DMV that covers the entire US, and I doubt all of the
various state agencies (not even all called "DMV") offer the test in
exactly 13 languages.
Post by samsloan
She passed it in Chinese in both states. The tests are considerably
different between these states.
And I'm sure they're different in the other 48 states, DC, territories,
etc.  That's why one book purporting to tell people "How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test", which doesn't even exist, is ridiculous.
I don't know about the particular states you have experience with, but
my state gives out a _free_ book that tells applicants everything they
need to know to pass the tests, both written and practical.  So what is
the point of _your_ book?
S
--
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
By the way, does the state where you live publish a free book in
Chinese that tells applicants everything they need to know to pass the
tests?

If so, please tell me where I can get this Chinese language
instruction guide.

Sam Sloan
Stephen Sprunk
2012-04-30 14:53:22 UTC
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Post by Stephen Sprunk
Post by samsloan
The DMV gives the tests in Chinese as well as in 13 other languages.
There is not one DMV that covers the entire US, and I doubt all of the
various state agencies (not even all called "DMV") offer the test in
exactly 13 languages.
Post by samsloan
She passed it in Chinese in both states. The tests are considerably
different between these states.
And I'm sure they're different in the other 48 states, DC, territories,
etc. That's why one book purporting to tell people "How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test", which doesn't even exist, is ridiculous.
I don't know about the particular states you have experience with, but
my state gives out a _free_ book that tells applicants everything they
need to know to pass the tests, both written and practical. So what is
the point of _your_ book?
By the way, does the state where you live publish a free book in
Chinese that tells applicants everything they need to know to pass the
tests?
Since it is not possible to pass the test without reading and speaking
either English or Spanish, what would be the point of translating the
driver's handbook into any other language? You still couldn't pass.

S
--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
samsloan
2012-04-30 16:27:39 UTC
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Post by samsloan
Post by Stephen Sprunk
Post by samsloan
The DMV gives the tests in Chinese as well as in 13 other languages.
There is not one DMV that covers the entire US, and I doubt all of the
various state agencies (not even all called "DMV") offer the test in
exactly 13 languages.
Post by samsloan
She passed it in Chinese in both states. The tests are considerably
different between these states.
And I'm sure they're different in the other 48 states, DC, territories,
etc.  That's why one book purporting to tell people "How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test", which doesn't even exist, is ridiculous.
I don't know about the particular states you have experience with, but
my state gives out a _free_ book that tells applicants everything they
need to know to pass the tests, both written and practical.  So what is
the point of _your_ book?
By the way, does the state where you live publish a free book in
Chinese that tells applicants everything they need to know to pass the
tests?
Since it is not possible to pass the test without reading and speaking
either English or Spanish, what would be the point of translating the
driver's handbook into any other language?  You still couldn't pass.
S
--
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

California driving rules are different from those of any other state.
It is clear that you know nothing of California law.

Similarly, California divorce and community property laws are
different from any other state. It is said that this has to do with
the Mexican or Spanish origin of California laws.

My Chinese girlfriend speaks no English and not a word of Spanish yet
she passed the drivers license test. It is for people like her that
this book is written.

This by the way could be a very successful book, a best-seller.

There are 1.2 billion Chinese and almost all of them would like to
learn how to drive a car.

Sam Sloan
Stephen Sprunk
2012-04-30 20:07:09 UTC
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The DMV gives the tests in Chinese as well as in 13 other languages.
There is not one DMV that covers the entire US, and I doubt all of the
various state agencies (not even all called "DMV") offer the test in
exactly 13 languages.
Post by samsloan
She passed it in Chinese in both states. The tests are considerably
different between these states.
And I'm sure they're different in the other 48 states, DC, territories,
etc. That's why one book purporting to tell people "How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test", which doesn't even exist, is ridiculous.
I don't know about the particular states you have experience with, but
my state gives out a _free_ book that tells applicants everything they
need to know to pass the tests, both written and practical. So what is
the point of _your_ book?
By the way, does the state where you live publish a free book in
Chinese that tells applicants everything they need to know to pass the
tests?
Since it is not possible to pass the test without reading and speaking
either English or Spanish, what would be the point of translating the
driver's handbook into any other language? You still couldn't pass.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
California driving rules are different from those of any other state.
It is clear that you know nothing of California law.
Then why did you publish a book claiming to instruct people in how to
pass "the USA Driver License Test"?

If your book is about California and New York, i.e. two specific states,
rather than trying to generalize across the entire USA, then say so.
Post by samsloan
Similarly, California divorce and community property laws are
different from any other state. It is said that this has to do with
the Mexican or Spanish origin of California laws.
California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas divorce and community property
laws are all based on the same traditions inherited from Mexico (and,
from there, Spain). California is not unique.
Post by samsloan
My Chinese girlfriend speaks no English and not a word of Spanish yet
she passed the drivers license test. It is for people like her that
this book is written.
I think you mean she passed the _California_ and/or _New York_ test,
since there is not one test for the entire USA. If she didn't speak
English or Spanish, my state wouldn't even allow her to _take_ the
test--even with a Chinese interpreter. And that's why your
generalizations about the "USA Driver License Test" are so wrong.
Post by samsloan
This by the way could be a very successful book, a best-seller.
Quality and sales success are not the same thing. The best-selling book
of all time is a bunch of hateful fairy tales.
Post by samsloan
There are 1.2 billion Chinese and almost all of them would like to
learn how to drive a car.
Sure, but that's not what the title of your book promises; it promises
to help them pass a test that doesn't even exist, in a country that most
of them will never be allowed to visit. Why not help them learn how to
pass _their own_ country's test?

S
--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
samsloan
2012-04-30 20:13:26 UTC
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I think you mean she passed the _California_ and/or _New York_ test,
since there is not one test for the entire USA.  If she didn't speak
English or Spanish, my state wouldn't even allow her to _take_ the
test--even with a Chinese interpreter.  And that's why your
generalizations about the "USA Driver License Test" are so wrong.
--
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
You still have not told us what state you are from.

I am surprised to learn that there is a state that requires you to be
able to speak either English or Spanish to be able to drive a car. I
would say that that would be unconstitutional.

Sam Sloan

http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
Stephen Sprunk
2012-04-30 20:31:52 UTC
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I think you mean she passed the _California_ and/or _New York_ test,
since there is not one test for the entire USA. If she didn't speak
English or Spanish, my state wouldn't even allow her to _take_ the
test--even with a Chinese interpreter. And that's why your
generalizations about the "USA Driver License Test" are so wrong.
You still have not told us what state you are from.
I don't see where you asked me what state I am from, nor do I see why
that is relevant. _Your_ experience seems to be from only two states,
leaving 48 others (plus DC and various territories) completely
unaccounted for in your book about "the USA Driver License Test".
Post by samsloan
I am surprised to learn that there is a state that requires you to be
able to speak either English or Spanish to be able to drive a car. I
would say that that would be unconstitutional.
Nobody has successfully challenged it in court. And I wouldn't be
surprised if other states had the same requirement--or even required
only English, lacking a significant Hispanic immigrant population.

S
--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
m***@patzers.org
2012-05-03 14:02:52 UTC
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Post by Stephen Sprunk
I think you mean she passed the _California_ and/or _New York_ test,
since there is not one test for the entire USA.  If she didn't speak
English or Spanish, my state wouldn't even allow her to _take_ the
test--even with a Chinese interpreter.  And that's why your
generalizations about the "USA Driver License Test" are so wrong.
--
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
You still have not told us what state you are from.
I am surprised to learn that there is a state that requires you to be
able to speak either English or Spanish to be able to drive a car. I
would say that that would be unconstitutional.
Sam Sloan
There is nothing unconstitutional about it Sloan. Driving a car is a
priveledge granted by state government, not a God given right.
Phil Kane
2012-05-02 18:45:51 UTC
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Post by samsloan
My Chinese girlfriend speaks no English and not a word of Spanish yet
she passed the drivers license test. It is for people like her that
this book is written.
Then how did she communicate with the clerk and the driving examiner?
Hand signals?
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Phil Kane - Beaverton, OR
PNW Beburg MP 28.0 - OE District
Stephen Sprunk
2012-05-02 19:01:50 UTC
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Post by samsloan
My Chinese girlfriend speaks no English and not a word of Spanish yet
she passed the drivers license test. It is for people like her that
this book is written.
Then how did she communicate with the clerk and the driving examiner?
Hand signals?
Some states allow using an interpreter; my state specifically bans it.

The official rationale for this is that "use of interpreters affects the
integrity of the examinations as there is no control to ensure the
veracity and precision of the translation. Accordingly, limiting the
driver examinations to English and Spanish will ... maintain the
integrity of the driver license examination process."

They go on to say that "A driver who can physically operate a vehicle
but is unable to identify and understand traffic laws and highway signs
in English places the public’s safety at risk." State law requires
offering the test in Spanish anyway, but that is done with
Spanish-speaking examiners--never interpreters.

S
--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
Stephen Sprunk
2012-04-30 14:31:39 UTC
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The book is out now. Published.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
The author Moyu Su is a registered nurse from Tianjin, China. She is
the author of published papers including “Application of Laparoscopic
Techniques in Obstetrics”, and “History of Laparoscopic Gynecology”
published in the “Chinese Journal of Human Sexuality”, June 2009
issue. She is the editor and reviser of the book “Chinese Herbal
Medicine for Beginners” by the Tianjin Health Care Revolutionary
Committee. She is a member of the Oncology Nursing Society. She was
invited to America to present a paper to the Oncology Society.
That's great for her, but practical medical qualifications say
absolutely nothing about her abilities to drive, much less _teach
others_ how to drive (or even just pass a driving test).
Post by samsloan
She has passed both the New York and the California driver's license
examinations.
So have millions of other people--most of whom can't drive very well.
Post by samsloan
She is the author of the book “How to Pass the USA
Driver License Test for Chinese Drivers”.
The title alone is enough to demonstrate the book isn't worth buying.

S
--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
m***@patzers.org
2012-04-29 02:11:37 UTC
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Post by samsloan
The book is out now. Published.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871872173
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871872173
I am expecting big sales as a lot of people need this.
Sam Sloan
Whatanumbnuts!!
Stephen Sprunk
2012-04-30 14:47:36 UTC
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The driving test is available in 13 languages, including Chinese,
Japanese, Korean, French, Spanish and Russian.
Really? State law limits the tests to English and Spanish in my state.
It is important to know the differences between the driving rules for
the different states. California in particular has some unusual rules.
The rules are virtually identical across the US and Canada, though there
_used to be_ some non-trivial differences.
The main difference between California and most other states is that
in California “The Pedestrian has the Right of Way”.
Pedestrians have the right of way in _all_ states.
This means that if a pedestrian, who is anybody other than somebody in
a car, a motorcycle or a bicycle, steps into the street, all cars must
stop and allow the pedestrian to pass.
Not exactly.
This rule does not exist in New York and in most other states.
Wrong.
Because of this rule, Californians have a tendency to cross the street
while reading a book or doing something else without even bothering to
look up to see if a car is coming. Therefore, when driving in
California, one must be constantly vigilant and watch to see if
somebody just casually walks in front of your car.
That is wise anywhere.
Both the driver and the pedestrian were acting perfectly legally. Both
had the right of way as the light was green.
Wrong and wrong.
Had the same accident happened in California, he would probably have
been arrested, tried and convicted of a crime and sentenced to time in
jail.
Perhaps, but that would stem from a difference in cops and juries rather
than any substantive difference in law on which party had the right of way.
Another difference between New York City and California is that
California and almost all other states have “Right Turn on Red”.
Since 1 Jan 1980, all states (and DC, Guam and Puerto Rico) have right
turn on red; this is dictated by federal law. The sole exception is New
York City (not New York State), which still bars it except where
explicitly posted as allowed, and the feds so far have overlooked that.
This
means that when approaching an intersection, if the traffic light is
red, the driver must come to a full stop. However, if the driver is in
the right lane, after making the full stop, the driver may look both
ways and, if no cars are coming, may make a right turn.
That's not exactly correct either. If this is an example of the errors
that are in the book, it's not just an utter waste of money, it is
actually dangerous to people learning how to drive. OTOH, if more bad
drivers fail the test, so much the better for the rest of us.

S
--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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